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i decided to start a separate thread where i’ll ramble about logos that i have either worked on or drawn myself and share some of the thoughts behind the decisions i made.

this way i wont clutter up the »logo update« thread, while i figure out the best way to contribute logos without having to spend too much time on looking up game ids or other fm-related stuff.

i mentioned before that i’m currently not playing, simply because most of my free time is used for collecting and drawing logos, albeit the long-term plan is to return to fm and maybe even drop a logo megapack conforming to my personal preferences on the unsuspecting public one day.

my priorities in regard to logos are as follows:

  • flat design -- i prefer logos without fluff and unnecessary effects, gradients et al. wherever possible, i remove these effects and keep the simplified logo as my main logo of reference.
  • no sponsorship -- the same goes for competitions or club logos with sponsorship elements. there are a few reasons for this: sponsoring deals change frequently, and the more logos there are, the more tedious it is to keep everything somewhat up-to-date. official, sponsor-free logos are a more sustainable option for me as a collector and i like the look just better. when a sponsor logo is the only existing logo, it will be retained, however.
  • clean graphics and files. official sources in many cases are not necessarily the best sources for logos. sometimes the files are mangled, they can cause applications to crash when you open them or other mishaps might occur. if it’s a poor design choice, i modify the logo until i’m satisfied with the result, but not going all the way as some other users do who »rebrand« clubs / federations or make fantasy logos (which are often brilliant).

i’ll post examples to better illustrate what i mean when i share and upload logos here.

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here’s an instance where official sources can be misleading - the caf organized competitions.

let’s have a look at the national team competitions (image sources are caf and the main sponsor total energies):

logo-can-totalenergies_0.thumb.png.fed9c9dc7b6d4bbeb29bc5eb225f29c4.pngthe-totalenergies-africa-cup-of-nations-afcon_0.thumb.png.65d0b22d76b2527e3ee025c99ef838ee.png

logo-can-feminine-totalenergies_0.thumb.png.f7b3fa1a75cbd8aa0321e55eaef95599.pngthe-totalenergies-women-africa-cup-of-nations_0.thumb.png.56676c69c7cfed99cdae9aa01b5fe9e1.png

le_championnat_dafrique_des_nations_chan_totalenergies.thumb.png.d59d2009e2659f5d388c926a72fc993f.pngthe-totalenergies-african-nations-championship-chan_0_1.thumb.png.759c8b1638355c83acc143d3c4d11468.png

logo-can-futsal-totalenergies_0.thumb.png.69c784c1d85dd5ab7172d00070318a73.pngthe-totalenergies-futsal-africa-cup-of-nations_0.thumb.png.b539adc385f35e43b7e62bd8c6f54c99.png

logo-can-u17-u20-u23-totalenergies_0.thumb.png.5bb80aa0872ea58d4df3e7928fee784a.pngthe-totalenergies-u-17-u-20-u-23-africa-cup-of-nations_0.thumb.png.4c490f59fd74a59c1996f5ddaa39028f.png

these might look like the correct logos for the competitions where the decorative triangular elements are only present around the bottom.

however, i believe that they are not, but are rather the result of a mixup of templates that are used for the respective tournament where the host country is added. see below for examples.

525788526_cafchampionnatdafriquedesnations2014.png.6cbce08d03491364f14813aec903151b.png  554903420_cafcoupedafriquedesnationsfminine2016_2.png.b06bb99676756fd47d2a1f7d4f7c7cea.png2080969496_cafu-20championnatdafrique2011_1.png.32c1e8fd4191a2e30e0a1d1d384278b7.png

the 2015 afcon had, thanks to the length of the host country’s name, only two triangles even on each side:

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if you look at the confederation logo and the club competitions logos, you’ll notice that the decorative elements are continuous:

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logo-ligue-des-campions-de-la-caf-totalenergies_0.thumb.png.78b32729ce0aacb6a4a4527a55c7b32b.pngthe-totalenergies-caf-champions-league_0.thumb.png.c8b06019045c033272d5230b18f328d3.png

logo-coupe-de-la-confederation-de-la-caf-totalenergies_0.thumb.png.209a7368fb4d814d62659d06795e8519.pngthe-totalenergies-caf-confederation-cup_0.thumb.png.8a9aab33ead3983c4fdd3dcec9098bdd.png

logo-caf-super-coupe-totalenergies.thumb.png.9c822f763bfa973d453f9c5b4cad9b4f.pngthe-totalenergies-caf-super-cup_0.thumb.png.9309cac0e77c2cee377c54cb81aad875.png

you can see what happened with the newly introduced women’s club competition:

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another error is the logo for the upcoming women’s afcon in morocco:

Le tirage au sort de la CAN Féminine TotalEnergies désormais fixé au 29 avril 2022

this is actually the color for the futsal afcon …

Futsal_FR.thumb.png.75bd713eb4fd2a6fd0a35e9dc5e90268.pngFutsal_EN.thumb.png.f8ddbe7ceafa98186b11c625fa0ba10d.png

 

this is how the logo of the women’s afcon in morocco looks like:

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the correct generic logos for the competitions would therefore be as follows (versions without sponsors):

112845549_NationalTeam-CAFCoupedAfriquedesNations.thumb.png.e6331027f49086a76268ce842c47bffa.png  910348311_NationalTeam-CAFAfricaCupofNations-2.thumb.png.5cb3b5003408b545bb68abbb593b48f1.png

 

1944371072_NationalTeam-CAFChampionnatdAfriquedesNations.thumb.png.5125d1f327e4b3483e0566abc5da6775.png  2028970577_NationalTeam-CAFAfricanNationsChampionship.thumb.png.f9ce4384173e0ff759e898d74a093d3c.png

 

1678937754_NationalTeam-CAFCoupedAfriquedesNationsU-23-2.thumb.png.579782765f4f1e1ed1f168e325a6dddd.png  2109466532_NationalTeam-CAFAfricaCupofNationsU-23-2.thumb.png.dfeeda80f71a9086be42073002cb83d4.png

 

955740545_NationalTeam-CAFCoupedAfriquedesNationsU-20.thumb.png.c27784ac68573dbf778899a38c6d4f81.png  919312078_NationalTeam-CAFAfricaCupofNationsU-20.thumb.png.28bee232faff2269953a65c337653b24.png

 

2016425269_NationalTeam-CAFCoupedAfriquedesNationsU-17.thumb.png.60e8a67c7067950f66ca525b6325b107.png  761638912_NationalTeam-CAFAfricaCupofNationsU-17.thumb.png.159c649be61352fd0c7105a1afea34be.png

 

1857192172_Club-CAFSuperCoupe-2.thumb.png.95c06afcdb8e3b34d56ccb8186936953.png  910612306_Club-CAFSuperCup-2.thumb.png.a7fb68e68a69304c7459bd6ad23168c7.png

 

1246445400_Club-CAFLiguedesChampions-2.thumb.png.0124b26d9a54b09dda0a673604fad324.png  1850434942_Club-CAFChampionsLeague-2.thumb.png.a9c933d202e279b6cd63d936fb1c2b09.png

 

1660316544_Club-CAFCoupedelaConfdration-2.thumb.png.e7e0bc7b9824b92c148b92d17a91f185.png  1632767452_Club-CAFConfederationCup-2.thumb.png.0c6db91a31193f74fd699f1250b2c547.png

 

1024662802_NationalTeam-CAFCoupedAfriquedesNationsFminine.thumb.png.6fe545198895fd4e059dfef0657f008f.png  634476430_NationalTeam-CAFWomensAfricaCupofNations.thumb.png.86264b82b443fb9f420cbdbdf7210f22.png

 

372777809_Club-CAFLiguedesChampionsFminine.thumb.png.2b2549c0d97d8dbaf13601a4503f8757.png  1350653100_Club-CAFWomensChampionsLeague.thumb.png.6145781554989e2e028dfbd87402462f.png

 

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This is again some great work and detail mate. I'd love to take this type of detail into our packs to improve the overall quality.

It was a good move also to open the separate thread also to keep the Logo Update Thread uncluttered as that will also help me when collecting everything.

I take it you will post logos you think should be added to the packs then in the Logo Update Thread?

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12 minutes ago, Derek said:

This is again some great work and detail mate. I'd love to take this type of detail into our packs to improve the overall quality.

It was a good move also to open the separate thread also to keep the Logo Update Thread uncluttered as that will also help me when collecting everything.

I take it you will post logos you think should be added to the packs then in the Logo Update Thread?

@Derek, i was actually thinking more of using this as a place of presenting stuff individually and expressing thoughts on why a different logo than the one in the database would be a better choice, more leaning towards discussion (others are welcome to comment here, of course). have you downloaded the archive i uploaded? everything i posted here is included, plus lots more. you can then pick whatever you want to add to the megapacks.

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Yes I've just sent you a PM about it mate. Great work as mentioned before.

If you do see anything in the packs though that you feel should be replaced/improved etc it would be a big help of course.

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i’ve been dabbling with an idea for a fabric/denim texture and would like to hear some feedback. this is just a first »sketch« if you will, and would have to be refined further, but i find the look intriguing.

 1745484356_!zCampoMaioremPortalegre-SportingClubeCampomaiorense.thumb.png.ccac4b46847be804fe14959e31c222c7.png  1070418108_!zLille-LilleOlympiqueSportingClub.thumb.png.ed030250837ddb9e6f8276e2f6efbe08.png  1941122093_!zPetersfield-PetersfieldTownFootballClub.thumb.png.9400f4cf867f4432bc763503fdd7bcf3.png 1720745052_!zRoma-AssociazioneSportivaRoma.thumb.png.7f8252fce9048f4eb0ae8b976600b5e9.png353431749_!zSchneckinHessen-Fussball-ClubBdesheim1966.thumb.png.311ec8ea4340db7e64b11fc67e3ca748.png  130752268_!zValencia-LevanteUninDeportiva.thumb.png.4be32538aa99f8585b325a6897eeb2f4.png

 

26452961_!yCampoMaioremPortalegre-SportingClubeCampomaiorense2.thumb.png.dfb3c2f3fe4129438d6e03635257897f.png 1314761324_!yLille-LilleOlympiqueSportingClub2.thumb.png.d096e6dd133b00c3cc9ddad52a782366.png 187823972_!yPetersfield-PetersfieldTownFootballClub2.thumb.png.14f1b59d5cc1cbc507599fa308b58ecc.png  1733851305_!yRoma-AssociazioneSportivaRoma2.thumb.png.cc464f7f4f3b102911db62c4c9b332d3.png  1497788156_!ySchneckinHessen-Fussball-ClubBdesheim19662.thumb.png.4887fccba09e00a43256ddf397e9bcb3.png  350317664_!yValencia-LevanteUninDeportiva2.thumb.png.1469cd9daf2803d35803deca4a769a61.png

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I like them mate and think they would be an interesting style for sure. Might be worth looking at the pattern scale a bit if that's what your using i.e. the top of the Petersfield and Budesheim logos.

I was working on something similar with one of these styles (third one) but I like what you've done with these a lot.

 

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@Derek, yes i had noticed the glitch, but as this was intended to be a prototype, i didn’t bother correcting it. i did pick different shapes and contours on purpose to see if it would work on all club crests.

there are also linen and other fabrics that i’ll dive into and then see what could work best, maybe even something in the vein of those printed-on badges that become washed out and then you see the texture underneath.

yours is very good, subdued. it has a touch of embroidery. i was thinking of that as well, but don’t want to spread myself too thin at the moment. i started collecting stadium pictures to put together a stadium pack one day, and that’ll take up time, too.

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You’ve done a great job so far with it mate, I really like what you’ve done.

As always I’m here if you need any help with anything including the source files etc. I know you’ve got a lot yourself.

The stadium pics sound very interesting I must say. Can’t wait to see some of those.

Keep up the great work mate.

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sure, here are a few previews -- i’ll try to find primarily views that cover as much of the pitch and the seats/stands as possible, make it a uniform look across the range.
some stadiums are really impressive architectural concepts/designs (and executions, too). you could actually help me out on this one, indeed: what is the size of the stadium pictures in-game? then i could set a standard resize for the pictures i’ll collect.

from left to right: eintracht (waldstadion - frankfurt am main, germany) - frankfurt (stadion am bornheimer hang - frankfurt am main, germany)

1758280387_FrankfurtamMain-Waldstadion01.thumb.jpg.16462798bd9689ab3224e9a61e98826c.jpg 1639508298_FrankfurtamMain-StadionamBornheimerHang01.thumb.jpg.c3480a4bb6ea11a90c36dbc08c871b0e.jpg

kickers (stadion am biberer berg - offenbach am main, germany) - jagiellonia (stadion białystok - białystok, poland)

241527839_OffenbachamMain-StadionamBiebererBerg01.thumb.jpg.9db743d10282eb3274fb4be913255ae6.jpg573459680_Biaystok-StadionMiejskiwBiaymstoku08.thumb.jpg.42a90daa696f0a15f56b1b96b6486a3d.jpg

hajduk (stadion poljud - split, croatia) - split (stadion park mladeži - split, croatia)

123200065_Split-StadionPoljud22.thumb.jpg.44415ac27556ea9915b77b24ee3c770d.jpg 1256295528_Split-StadionParkMladei07.thumb.jpg.30e4f0bf9c2787ea957b4a6fd81a42f3.jpg 

lech (stadion poznań - poznań, poland) - super eagles (moshood kasimawoo olawale abiola national stadium - abuja, nigeria)

931179593_Pozna-StadionPozna01.thumb.jpg.86160a2a3fac4d794c346c02fcd010f5.jpg 2114245179_MoshoodKmawlwlAblNationalStadium16.1.thumb.jpg.ff687c696cb478393a1d22c039686900.jpg

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I use one at the moment and they are 400x240px which is not ideal for some skins which you can see below. I think having them slightly larger would be ideal but I haven't tested the sizes.

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yes, they look very blurry. i saw fm slovakia recommend twice the size -- 800 x 480 -- but that seems still a bit small. i’ll sort a few sample sizes and then you can see what works, will let you know.

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