Simple and clear procedure that will allow us to be more efficient. I valid...

That's no problem on my end mate but let's avoid PM's please and keep everything in the thread for transparency. So yes I agree.

@AndreaSSL1900 @Derek Don't put or add new logos when a team change her name or a new team appears for another, you have to wait for the new FM to come out or send me a PM and I see if change the ID in the DB. Why? Because we change logos that may not have to be changed and the pack looks bad.

Feel free to comment guys and make your own suggestions on how to improve things. I'm more open to anything, apart from my process which works well for me presently.

i appreciate this. as a normal user, however, i believe that it is absolutely critical to make people understand how much work and time is involved on your part to keep the updates and the site rolling. it's one thing to do research and collect/upload logos, another one to put everything together, convert it and run it through templates, then upload and bla bla bla, you get the point. a little effort and scrutiny in the early update stages goes a long way and will benefit everyone who plays the game. to paraphrase a saying common among doctors: it's better to prevent than to correct (heal). i'll add more suggestions for the individual research and quality control guidelines when i have free time to write it up.

Hi All Over the past number of updates there have been some errors in packs which have led to mistakes being made or old logos being added which I've discussed with some of you in the forum and personal messages. We have discussed this which has led to an agreement that there is a need for clear guidelines to help address these issues. So with that in mind I felt it was best option was to open up a discussion thread here to allow researchers and members to help decide these guidelines that we will use going forward. I also felt it best to explain how I work each month to create the packs which is outlined below for your review. I always place a post in the Logo Update Thread to inform everyone when the updates have started and that is used a starting point for me when I'm collecting the following months logos. Monthly Updates Schedule Collect each logo from the Logo Update Thread, individual logo style threads and personal messages. Typically 1,000-3,000 per month. Each post is reviewed incase a logo has been flagged by a member or researcher but inevitably something will be missed. Start improving logos and at this point inform everyone the updates have begun. I then begin to create each of the 10 monthly packs. Release each pack here on FMG and then on Sortitoutsi. Facebook, Instagram and Twitter schedules are then set up for the coming month (Please like, follow and share ) This entire process, depending on logo quantities, takes me approximately 3-4 days from start to finish each month. Due to working on logos, kits and facepacks it means it's near impossible at this stage for me to verify logos and I rely on everyone to help out when possible. So with that in mind I'd like to open the discussion and will just add a few of my own points. Going forward all logos and packs must be posted in the Logo Update Thread only. PM's are always welcome anytime but not for logo updates or requests please. This will allow everyone to check and verify logos while helping forum activity. Order for posting logos should be team/comp name and ID followed by the logo. Then repeat for each logo, as this helps avoid ID mistakes for posts that contain many logos. If I miss a logo or make a mistake, which happens, please bare with me and simply repost if possible. Feel free to let me know if I've f**cked up! I'm really keen to express my gratitude to everyone who takes the time out of their personal lives to research the packs and help create so many styles for the FM community to enjoy. It's also important to me that this discussion or the resulting guidelines do not discourage anyone from posting logos on FMG, as this is not a witch-hunt but merely an open discussion to improve packs going forward. Thanks everyone. @AndreaSSL1900 @cameosis @spankz @Markitos @rioplworks @kristo @heva. @minky79 @ateesz @douyilmaz @Moondog777 @Manojl76 @NassFas

@cameosis great tip with svg gobbler, thanks

Thanks guys for your help. Great work as usual.

I didn't know if you saw this so I wanted to repost.

here they are: i have saved all the links in an excel file to facilitate sharing, albeit access as a database application works just as well and i use that, too. there are different tabs to separate the links according to their main purpose or location -- the ones derek added to the first post are in the uefa tab, and i’ll pick some to illustrate what the titles and comments mean. match results: self-explanatory -- can be very helpful when lower leagues are covered to find out the name of the club/league/division. often includes logos. database: very helpful when you want to look up historic names of clubs/leagues, find out if and with who they have merged or have been absorbed and so forth. logo database: the category that interests logo hunters most. sometimes a site that i classified as match results or (general) database has a huge number of logos in good size, but then i chose the category after its main purpose (coverage of competitions or presentation of graphics). active: in hindsight, i should have written online. there are sites that are still online, but no longer updated or maintained. in any case, here is my first tip when you have a defunct web site, you can still access it through web archive/wayback machine, have a look: great football (ukrainian site) - offline go to web archive/wayback machine, copy the url into the search mask and then pick a snapshot of the site. here is one to show you an example: great football accessed through wayback machine another helpful browser add-on is svg gobbler. many club or federation web sites have svg files and with that add-on you can sometimes find them easier: svg gobbler final note: recommended means basically that the site is so good that you should have a look there first (in cases where there are several sites covering the same topic).

Perfect thanks mate Edit: Further links by @cameosis added. Thanks again mate.

cheers, derek. a few tips/comments on my part are in order to make the most out of the links, i'll add them once i'm in front of the laptop, don't want to type longer texts on a mobile phone ...

The first post has been updated with an extensive list provided by @cameosis Thanks for your help mate.

Thanks for all the helpful links @cameosis. They will be a big help to all of us. That's a shame how it went down for you with vflnet. Unfortunately I've had similar situations and even in the most recent past with people selling packs as their own.

if some of you work with vectors, i can put together packages by country, they're unsorted and not processed yet (meaning i haven't inspected and overhauled them), but they include the vectors from vflnet among other sources.

beaufays profited from a number of skilled and talented contributors, first and foremost jakub malicki, who has rebranded many polish clubs and even sections of the polish fa: kubamalicki.com he's involved with http://www.90minut.pl/ and if you look for polish logos, this is a very good source and first stop. for turkish logos, go to http://www.futbollogo.com/ - png files, good sizes, cover historic and alternative logos as well. more links later.

the original vector website that focused on football logos was hqfl.dk - high quality football logos - but they have disappeared as well, they were active in the early 2000s. if someone remembers football11.net, i have a site rip. the size of the logos was pretty small, often the logos were incorrect or from futsal clubs, but i keep it as an important source of historic logos, he welcomed uploads and so many rare logos were added. they were hacked in 2011, sadly and the admin abandoned the project.

Oh wow! I obviously didn't know that, but yes, that is the site I was talking about. Shame it went down like that for you... I liked that project, and what they did, but your story puts it in a whole other light

you probably mean vflnet.com it was run by an individual called johnny beaufays. many years ago i had offered to contribute vector logos and was turned down in a very unpleasant way, he claimed i didn't have the necessary skills to add anything to the project. then later i found the very same vector logos that i had drawn and submitted on the site, credited to him ... i called him out on facebook on appropriating other people's work as his own, which he denied. the website did go offline some time after that, however.

https://www.brandsoftheworld.com/ definitely a highly recommended site, there are continuous and frequent uploads of international football logos. https://seeklogo.com/ has many logos available that botw had to remove at the request of fifa, uefa, conmebol et al. https://yandex.com/images/touch/ image search that is often superior to google's. especially strong regarding ex-soviet union. will post more links later.

Doesn't brands of the world have vector logos of various clubs anymore? I also remember a Dutch/Belgian website that was full of vector logos made by themselves but I think it is offline

Another link that is great for all teams is https://www.thesportsdb.com/Sport/Soccer You can contribute to add logos and information, and all the logos are in 512px To see the image in full size click on it, and it will bring you to a window with the image.

I'll keep all the links in this post guys. Google Images - The most obvious one but something I use when I find images on Google is to right click on it and select 'Search Google For Image' and then select Large, Medium etc. Wikipedia - Great for SVG files Footy Headlines - Occasionally they post up new logos earlier than most site - https://www.footyheadlines.com/search/label/Logos?max-results=8 Umgrande Escudeiro - Great for South American logos and in particular Brazilian http://umgrandeescudeiro.blogspot.com/ Fantasy Logos - Design Football and Pinterest. I really like browsing these two sites. Retro Logos - logos-world.net This site has a full history of each clubs logos and in decent size. Moroccan Logos - iconape.com Extensive List By @cameosis INTERNATIONAL Site Name URL Notes Recommended Active Brands of the World https://brandsoftheworld.com/ Vector logos Yes Yes Écussons des clubs de foot du monde https://keltia.ch/indexecussons.htm Logo database of international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Escudoteca Paladar Negro https://paladarnegro.net/escudoteca/ Vector logos of international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Football 11 https://football11.net Logo database of international clubs · competitions Yes: historic · rare federation and team logos No Football Balls Database https://football-balls.com/ Database of football balls Yes Footballia https://footballia.net/ Football match video library Yes Free Vector https://freevector.co/ Vector logos Yes Fútbol saved my Life https://futbolsavedmylife.blogspot.com/ Logo database of international clubs · competitions Yes Global Sports Archive: Soccer https://globalsportsarchive.com/sport/soccer/-/ Match results of football competitions Yes High Quality Football Logos https://hqfl.dk/ Vector logos No Icon Ape https://iconape.com/ Vector logos Yes Loghi Calcio Europa https://loghicalcioeuropa.altervista.org/ Logo database of international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Loghi Squadre Calcio https://loghisquadrecalcio.forumcommunity.net/ Logo database of international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Logo Save https://logosave.com/ Vector logos Yes LogoEPS https://logoeps.com/ Vector logos Yes Logosklad https://logosklad.ru/ Vector logos Yes LOGOteka https://logoteka.ru/ Vector logos No Logotip https://logotip.com.hr/ Vector logos No Mon grenier à maillots https://cityfootballshirt.blogspot.com/ Gallery of football jerseys Yes: historic · rare federation and team logos Yes National Football Teams https://national-football-teams.com/ Match results of football competitions Yes Pennants Museun https://pennantsmuseum.com/ Logo database of international clubs · competitions Yes: historic · rare federation and team logos Yes Seek Logo https://seeklogo.net/ Vector logos Yes Soccer Logos https://soccerlogos.com.br/ Logo database of international clubs · competitions No: paywall Yes Sports Logos https://sportslogos.net/ Logo database of international clubs · competitions Yes Symbols FIFA World Cup https://wc-football.jimdofree.com/ Database of football balls Yes Yes Symbols UEFA European Championship https://euro-championship.jimdofree.com/ Database of football balls Yes Yes Top Logos https://toplogos.ru/ Vector logos Yes Vector Football Logos https://vflnet.com/ Vector logos No World Football Badges News https://worldfootballbadgesnews.blogspot.com/ Logo database of international clubs · competitions Yes World Vector Logo https://worldvectorlogo.com/ Vector logos Yes Логобанк https://logobank.ru/ Vector logos Yes Эмблемы Футбольных Клубов https://emblems.ucoz.com/ Vector logos Yes AFC Country Site Name URL Notes Recommended Active China Logo·足球·世界 https://kotologo.com/zh/ Logo database of Chinese and international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Korea, North DPR Korea Football http://facebook.com/dprkfootball/ Match results of football competitions Yes Yes CAF Country Site Name URL Notes Recommended Active Comoros Blog de Sports Comores Football https://farouk-abdou.blogspot.com/ Match results of football competitions Yes Comoros Sports Comores https://facebook.com/SportsComores/ Match results of football competitions Yes CONMEBOL Country Site Name URL Notes Recommended Active Argentina Escudos del Fútbol Argentino https://futbolargentinaescudos.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Argentine clubs · competitions Argentina Escudos del Fútbol Argentino https://facebook.com/Escudos-del-Fútbol-Argentino-193020284797572/ Logo database of Argentine clubs · competitions Yes Yes Argentina Fútbol Argentino https://futbolargentino.com/ Match results of football competitions Yes Argentina Pasión del Hincha https://pasiondelhincha.net/parches-escudos-futbol-argentino/ Logo database of Argentine clubs · competitions Yes Bolivia Escudos Bolivia https://escudosbolivia.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Bolivian clubs · competitions Yes Brazil Acervo Futebolístico Pernambucano https://acervofutebolisticope.wordpress.com/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes Brazil Almanaque do Futebol Brasiliense https://historiafutebolbrasiliense.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes Yes Brazil Arquivos de Futebol do Brasil https://arquivosfutebolbrasil.com.br/blog/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes Yes Brazil Biblioteca Escudosweb https://escudosweb.com/ Logo database of Brazilian and international clubs · competitions Yes Brazil Coleção de Clubes https://colecaodeclubes.com.br/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions No Brazil Coleção de Clubes https://instagram.com/colecaodeclubes/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes Brazil Escudos de Futebol do Mundo https://escudosfutebolmundo.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Brazilian and international clubs · competitions Yes Brazil Escudos do Mundo Inteiro https://escudosdomundointeiro.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Brazilian and international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Brazil Escudos do Mundo Inteiro https://instagram.com/escudosdomundointeiro/ Logo database of Brazilian and international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Brazil Escudos Futebol Clube https://escudosfc.com.br/ Logo database of Brazilian and international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Brazil Escudos Gino https://escudosgino.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes Brazil Escudos Nordeste https://escudosnordeste.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes Brazil Futebol Nacional https://futebolnacional.com.br/ Database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes Brazil FutRio https://futrio.net/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions No Brazil História do Futebol https://historiadofutebol.com/blog/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes: records of mergers and name changes Yes Brazil McNish Futebol Clube https://mcnish.com.br/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes: great quality Yes Brazil Memória Futebol Capixaba https://memoriafutebolcapixaba.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes Brazil Relíquias do Futebol https://reliquiasdofutebol.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes: great quality Yes Brazil Times do RS https://timesdors.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Brazilian clubs · competitions Yes Yes Brazil Um Grande Escudeiro https://umgrandeescudeiro.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Brazilian and international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Peru Fútbol Peruano https://futbolperuano.com/ Match results of football competitions Yes Uruguay El AreA https://el-area.com/ Logo database of Uruguayan and international clubs · competitions Yes Uruguay El AreA https://instagram.com/elarea1977/ Logo database of Uruguayan and international clubs · competitions Yes UEFA Country Site Name URL Notes Recommended Active Austria Fussballabzeichen https://fussballabzeichen.at/ Logo database of Austrian and international clubs · competitions Yes Austria ÖFB Wettbewerbe https://oefb.at/bewerbe/ Match results of football competitions Yes Yes Belarus Teams https://teams.by/club/ Logo database of Belarusian and international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Belgium Voetbal Adres https://voetbaladres.be/ Database of Belgian clubs · competitions Yes Belgium Voetbalkrant https://voetbalkrant.com/competities/ Match results of football competitions Yes Belgium Walfoot Belgique https://walfoot.be/competitions/ Match results of football competitions Yes Bulgaria BG Supporters https://bgsupporters.net/ Forum Yes Bulgaria Bulgarian Football https://bulgarian-football.com/ Match results of football competitions Yes Bulgaria Български Клубове https://bgclubs.eu/ Logo database of Bulgarian clubs · competitions Yes Yes Croatia Pinga 99 https://pinga99.com/ Logo database of Croatian and international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Czechia Euro Fotbal https://eurofotbal.cz/ Match results of football competitions Yes Czechia FAČR Soutěže https://souteze.fotbal.cz/ Match results of football competitions Yes Yes France FFF Compétitions https://fff.fr/competition/ Match results of football competitions Yes Yes France Foot Amateur https://footamateur.fr/ Match results of football competitions Yes France Foot National https://foot-national.com/ Match results of football competitions Yes Germany Fussball https://fussball.de/ Match results of football competitions Yes Yes Germany Pin Hölle https://lindon.us/ Logo database of German clubs · competitions Yes Yes Germany Vereinswappen https://vereinswappen.de/ Logo database of German clubs · competitions Yes Yes Great Britain EFA Full Time https://fulltime.thefa.com/ff/ Match results of football competitions Yes Great Britain English Football Stats https://englishfootballstats.co.uk/ Database of English clubs · competitions Yes Great Britain Football Club History Database https://fchd.info/ Database of British clubs · competitions Yes: records of mergers and name changes Yes Great Britain Football Crests https://footballcrests.com/ Logo database of English and international clubs · competitions Yes Great Britain Scottish Football Historical Archive https://sfha.org.uk/ Database of Scottish clubs · competitions Yes: records of mergers and name changes Yes Great Britain Scottish Football Memorabilia https://scottishfootballmemorabilia.co.uk/ Logo database of Scottish and international clubs · competitions Yes Great Britain Terry’s Badges https://terrysbadges.co.uk/ Logo database of English clubs · competitions Yes Great Britain The Beautiful History https://thebeautifulhistory.wordpress.com/ Logo database of English clubs · competitions Yes Great Britain The Non-League Paper https://thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/ Database of English clubs · competitions Yes Great Britain Welsh Football Data Archive https://welshsoccerarchive.co.uk/ Database of Welsh clubs · competitions Yes: records of mergers and name changes Yes Greece Γηπεδα Ευβοίας https://ghpedaevoias.blogspot.gr/ Logo database of Greek clubs · competitions Yes Yes Greece Σήματα Ομάδων Ποδοσφαίρου https://omades.com/ Logo database of Greek clubs · competitions Yes Yes Hungary Magyar Futball https://magyarfutball.hu/ Match results of football competitions Yes Yes Italy Museo del Marchio Italiano https://museodelmarchioitaliano.com/ Museum of Italian Brands Yes Italy Scudetti Italia https://scudettitalia.altervista.org/ Logo database of Italian clubs · competitions Yes Yes Italy Tutto Campo https://tuttocampo.it/ Match results of football competitions Yes: numerous logos Yes Luxembourg Letzebuerger Football https://fussball-lux.lu/ Match results of football competitions Yes Montenegro CG Fudbal https://cg-fudbal.com/ Match results of football competitions Yes Yes Poland 90 Minut https://90minut.pl/ Match results of football competitions Yes Yes Poland Polskie Logo https://polskielogo.net/ Logo database of Polish clubs · competitions Yes Russia Логотипы Футбольных Клубов https://logofc.info/ Logo database of Russian and international clubs · competitions Yes Russia ФК-Лого https://фк-лого.рф/ Logo database of Russian and international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Russia Футбольные Эмблемы https://футбольные-эмблемы.рф/ Logo database of Russian and international clubs · competitions Yes Yes Russia Футбольные Эмблемы https://logo-football.ru/ Logo database of Russian and international clubs · competitions No Russia Коллекция Эмблемы Футбольных Клубов https://fottballemblem.narod.ru/ Logo database of Russian and international clubs · competitions Yes Russia Logo 643 https://logo643.com/ Logo database of Russian and international clubs · competitions Yes: historic · rare federation and team logos Yes Serbia Groundhopping Serbia https://groundhoppingsrb.blogspot.com/ Logo database of Serbian clubs · competitions Yes Serbia Serbian Logo https://serbianlogo.com/ Vector Logos Yes Serbia Заставе и Грбови Србије https://zastave-grbovi.com/ Heraldry · Vexillology of Serbia Yes Serbia Србија Спорт https://srbijasport.net/ Match results of football competitions Yes Serbia Србија Фудбал https://srbijafudbal.com/ Logo database of Serbian clubs · competitions No Serbia Фудбалски Фанатици Србије https://ffsrb.rs/sr/klubovi/ Logo database of Serbian clubs · competitions No Slovakia Futbalnet https://futbalnet.sk/ Match results of football competitions Yes Yes Slovakia Ligy https://ligy.sk/ Match results of football competitions Yes Spain Asociación para la Recopilación de Estadísticas del Fútbol Español https://krdweb.es/ Database of Spanish clubs · competitions No Spain Escudos de Fútbol https://escudosfutbol.esy.es/ Logo database of Spanish and international clubs · competitions No Spain Escudos de Fútbol y Equipaciones https://escudosdefutbolyequipaciones.com/ Logo database of Spanish and international clubs · competitions Yes Spain Escudos del Fútbol Español https://escudosdefutbol.stg7.net/ Logo database of Spanish and international clubs · competitions Yes Spain Escudos Fútbol https://escudosfutbol.com/ Logo database of Spanish and international clubs · competitions Yes Spain Fútbolme https://futbolme.com/ Match results of football competitions Yes Spain La Fútbolteca https://lafutbolteca.com/ Database of Spanish clubs · competitions Yes Yes Spain La Preferente https://lapreferente.com/ Match results of football competitions Yes Yes Spain El Rincón del Pin https://elrincondelpin.com/forum/ Logo database of Spanish clubs · competitions Yes Spain Pins de Escudos y Insignias de Fútbol https://pinsdefutbol.es/ Logo database of Spanish and international clubs · competitions Yes Spain Asociación para la Recopilación de Estadísticas del Fútbol Español https://arefepedia.es/foro/ Database of Spanish clubs · competitions Yes Yes Spain Fútbol Plus https://web.archive.org/web/20160314141731/http://futbolplus.com/foro/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=72942 Logo database of Spanish and international clubs · competitions Yes No Sweden FotbollZ https://fotbollz.se/ Database of Swedish clubs · competitions Yes Sweden Klubbmärken https://klubbmarken.com/ Logo database of Swedish clubs · competitions Yes Yes Sweden Svenska Fotbollsklubbar https://svenskafotbollsklubbar.se/ Logo database of Swedish clubs · competitions Yes Sweden Svensk Fotboll https://svensk-fotboll.com/ Logo database of Swedish clubs · competitions Yes Yes Sweden SvFF Välj Tävling https://svenskfotboll.se/serier-cuper/ Match results of football competitions Yes Turkey Futbol Logo https://futbollogo.com/ Logo database of Turkish clubs · competitions Yes Yes Ukraine Fanat https://fanat.ua/media/logo/ Logo database of Ukrainian and international clubs · competitions No Ukraine Great Football https://greatfootball.com.ua/ Logo database of Ukrainian and international clubs · competitions No

You can just save it in Photoshop mate as a png. Thanks Nassfas I'll add the link in a new thread shortly.

How can you convert an svg logo in a png logo?